Just wanted to see what yall

thought about Panda gsd's? thats what a panda gsd is: http://www.pandashepherds.com/
personally i think they arent GSD's. They look nothing like them, they look ugly, and i wouldnt even look at one if they passed me on the street, well maybe in disguist!!

So what do you guys think?

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there is another website!

I belive in breed standards and that they are made for a reason, GSD that do not meet breed standard should not be bred pruposly. You should not change a breed just because of personal prefernce, if you want a dog that does not meet standards then go to the pound, many loving dogs there that need homes that look very much like a Panda GSD

Hi,

I think, that Panda GSD's are OKAY..BUT they should not call it a GSD anymore.
Same goes for White GSDs.


-Ali

very good point Ali, i agree that they the breed should be separated but in fact that is what white GSD breeders want anyway, hopefully they get what they desire and everybody is pleased with the decision

I agree with both, Panda can be called hmmm...

IDK

How about just Panda Shepherd... just take out the german...

hmm idk i think it should be the morons equivilant to a GSD!

NOT even close to a gsd!!

Just follow the Shepherd Standard, why breed dogs with no papers? Regardless what they are, they are not German Shepherds. They derived from Germany and that will always be, these breeders trying to invent other colors in the same breed is just plain wrong.
Sorry, but just follow your standard and get papers and be proud, not freaks.!!!

I don't understand why they would "try" to improve a breed that is so ideal in my eyes. However, it is not my way to judge. Especially when it is not something I am knowledgeable in and since breeding is definitely one of those things I can not answer why or why not.

I have a question and please no one get up in arms... I am just curious. It is my nature. Although I get the distinct feeling I am just like your pups hunting for the hornets' nest...

The purpose of dogs has changed with the times. Is it wrong to establish new breeds to fit these changing needs? If someone were to create a breed who is ideal for seeing-eye dog work, would that be wrong? If so how does it differ from the people who established the breeds we know and love today. I know there are several breeds who are well suited to the training for seeing-eye work but they were not bred to do seeing-eye work. They are breeds that just lend themselves well to adapting to seeing-eye work. Now I am NOT saying that something as aesthetic as coloration is worth creating a new breed for but I am curious if the creation of new breeds to fill the changing roles of dogs would be acceptable? What do you guys think?

good thought Odysseus! I dont know, i just think you should breed to better the breed, not to have something you like!

What an interesting-looking dog. Did anybody read anything else about this animal? When flipping through the websites (And thanks for posting the websites, Amanda ... I'd never heard of a Panda Shepherd before.), someone had "documented" that this was some sort of color mutation that occurred naturally and then people bred for it. I don't know how any of that works (anybody remember those danged fruit flies back in H.S. biology class?), but it was interesting to read.

I've also read somewhere that the majority of the current dog breeds were developed in the last 150 years (I'm probably off on the number of years, but it was really not very many considering how long it takes to modify a species by selective breeding - kind of amazing.) and that the dogs were all originally bred for specific purposes ... herding, guard dog, lap dog, sit-on-my-feet (oh, WAIT ... that's just Cruiser!).

I dunno ... it seems to me that, just studying the Italian Greyhound over the last 7 years (I've got 3 of those.) that interpretation of the standard seems to vary depending on the eyes of the judge/breeder/owner/handler/casual owner. I find those ring-side conversations that folks coming out of the show ring, or sitting anxiously near the ring, don't realize someone else is hearing are quite intriguing.

What nobody knows is "down south's" best kept little secret. The panda Shepherd has border collie infused in it. You will never hear this from the breeders of pandas, but you will hear it from previous friends that are no longer friends.

Panda Shepherds should be called pinto dogs as far as I'm concerned, they certainly don't meet the rquirements of a true German shepherd. Have to agree about being ugly, they look like clowns, and all because someone thought they could make some fast $$$$.

I have heard that they are trying to make this a completely separate breed. So in all reality, they aren't entirely claiming them to be German Shepherd Dogs. They WANT to completely separate from the GSD breed.

Sorry for those who want it, but they should be a seperate breed!

oh defiantely!

I would get one. I actually like them.

They are AMAZINGLY cute. I wouldn't mind if they made it a new breed, but I don't think it should be a GSD

They are shaped like GSDs, that's for sure.

They look more like one of the older type herding dogs to me.
And I agree! Make them a separate breed!

I'm studying so that in the far future I can be a reputable breeder, and I have to agree, go with dogs that are as close to the standard as possible

(I won't breed GSDs though, but GSDs will always be a breed close to my heart. Partly because of Cookie. She is my first GSD.

I dont have a problem with pedigree dogs being bred for a reason such as breeders who take genetics, pheno and genotype into consideration and other aspects that can benefit a new breed. i guess thats how they made the GSD too by mixing a few kind of dogs to make the breed and over the years the breed has developed etc... thus is the situation with all breeds that we have today.. that is fine.. by all means if a panda shepherd is a new breed then go for it BUT dont call it panda gsd etc.

but if it's just mongral or mutt breeding then forget it i'm all against that... including designer dogs

Ugh... Designer dogs are one of my big pet peeves xD

Pug x Beagle = Mutt. Not 'Puggle'

I actually found out about this 'coloration' or whatever you'd like to call it a few weeks ago.

Yes, genetically they ARE purebred GSDs only with a mutation in the gene that causes the odd coloration, but I don't see why it is being embraced either -shrug-